Re: [EPP-discuss] EPP renew domain draft proposal - updated

From: Andreas Schraut-Petto <apetto_at_key-systems.net>
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 08:05:18 +0200

Good morning all,


are there some news regarding the upcoming changes related to
domain:info and domain:renew command?


Many thanks so far,
Best,
Andreas

Am 29.06.2016 um 15:02 schrieb Jonas Brms Nielsen:
> Hi Tom,
>
> As stated, it is a draft ;-)
>
> jonasbn
>
>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 15:00, Tom Sommer <ts_at_zitcom.dk> wrote:
>>
>> Awesome.
>>
>> https://github.com/DK-Hostmaster/epp-service-specification/tree/epp_update_domain_v1#privilege-matrix
>>
>> According to this a Registrar cannot set/unset billing-c?
>>
>> --
>> Tom Sommer
>> CTO at UnoEuro A/S, a Zitcom A/S division
>>
>> Phone: +45 69 10 60 09
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jonas Brms Nielsen [mailto:jonasbn_at_dk-hostmaster.dk]
>> Sent: 29. juni 2016 14:54
>> To: Tom Sommer <ts_at_zitcom.dk>
>> Cc: epp-discuss_at_liste.dk-hostmaster.dk
>> Subject: Re: [EPP-discuss] EPP renew domain draft proposal - updated
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> See below:
>>
>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 14:31, Tom Sommer <ts_at_zitcom.dk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jonas, we clearly discussed the option for "navneserveransvarlige" to do renews, or simply for everyone to do renews. What happened to those options?
>>
>> We want to evaluate and open up for features gradually. So initially the name server responsible will not be able to do renew. We will evaluate when it will be feasible to make this possible, so if a name server responsible AND billing contact if will be possible, but it will not be possible from day one.
>>
>> As Peter mentioned earlier, grouping/linking of accounts would make this more feasible, so it is definitely something we are looking into,
>>
>>> So you are confirming that we can set ourselves as billing-c without the registrant having to confirm so? This solves the problem to some degree.
>>
>> This confirmation lies outside of what we provide as a service, please see to the registrar agreement. All we require is that you have the registrants accept and can document it. If this is a part of your general terms and conditions or how you obtain this accept is not specified in our registrar agreement.
>>
>>> So we set our REG-X handle as billing-c, do a renew and then unset ourselves? This will spam the user with notifications, but if you don't have a problem with that, then sure. Your support-team will not love this ;)
>>
>> Well that will be a problem on our side, the important thing is that the information requirement is met.
>>
>>> I get that you do not have a transparent model, but perhaps now is the time to make one? This was also something we discussed, along with a permission matrix?
>>>
>>
>> Yes we had that discussion a draft for a matrix was added to the draft for the EPP command update domain, this was where it made the most sense at the time, specification wise:
>>
>> - https://github.com/DK-Hostmaster/epp-service-specification/tree/epp_update_domain_v1#privilege-matrix
>>
>> Please note that this was added primarily in regard to the update domain command and before the decision on the renew domain privilege was made, so the registrar flag indicating the privilege is no longer valid - I will update it shortly and accordingly.
>>
>> jonasbn
>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tom Sommer (via OWA)
>>> Zitcom A/S
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Jonas Brms Nielsen <jonasbn_at_dk-hostmaster.dk>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 2:19 PM
>>> To: Tom Sommer
>>> Cc: epp-discuss_at_liste.dk-hostmaster.dk
>>> Subject: Re: [EPP-discuss] EPP renew domain draft proposal - updated
>>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>>
>>> Let me try to outline the basic scenarios:
>>>
>>> 1. If you are setting your self as billing contact on a domain at registration time
>>> - you have to have an accept from the registrant in question, this is a relation between you and registrant and not something we formally facilitate
>>> - we will inform the registrant the new billing contact can do renew
>>> - and you will be able to do renew
>>>
>>> 2. If you are setting your self as billing contact on a domain post registration
>>> - you have to have an accept from the registrant in question, this is a relation between you and registrant and not something we formally facilitate
>>> - we will inform the registrant the new billing contact can do renew
>>> - and you will be able to do renew
>>>
>>> 3. If you are existing billing contact on a domain
>>> - you will be able to do renew
>>> - if the domain was registered pre renew availability we will inform the registrant that the registrant can do renew
>>> - if the domain was registered post renew availability the registrant will have been informed (see: 1).
>>>
>>> All of this is under the terms and conditions described in the registrar agreement.
>>>
>>> I am sorry we cannot honor the renewal of domain names where you have no clear relation, but we have to put the registrant in the center of this model. And not having a clear and transparent model, makes it hard to explain to the registrant how things are working in the case where things go awry.
>>>
>>> The registrar agreement clearly states that you have to have an accepted agreement with the registrant for whom's domain you play an active role, so it is only fair to let this agreement be reflected in how the model is built.
>>>
>>> jonasbn
>>>
>>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 11:14, Tom Sommer <ts_at_zitcom.dk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Either we are allowed to renew any .dk domain (Why wouldn't we?), or you allow us to change billing-c without user-consent, or you make the user-consent painfully simple (not going to happen, I know you). Otherwise you can scrap the renew command, because we will not be able to use it.
>>>>
>>>> Please explain the procedure in detail as to what we need to do, to renew a domain which we are not billing-c on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Tom Sommer
>>>> CTO at UnoEuro A/S, a Zitcom A/S division
>>>>
>>>> Phone: +45 69 10 60 09
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Jonas Brms Nielsen [mailto:jonasbn_at_dk-hostmaster.dk]
>>>> Sent: 29. juni 2016 11:09
>>>> To: Tom Sommer <ts_at_zitcom.dk>
>>>> Cc: epp-discuss_at_liste.dk-hostmaster.dk
>>>> Subject: Re: [EPP-discuss] EPP renew domain draft proposal - updated
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>
>>>> According to the registrar agreement you can become the payer with the consent of the registrant. Please refer to the registrar agreement for details.
>>>>
>>>> Ref: https://www.dk-hostmaster.dk/fileadmin/filer/Registrator/Registrar_Agreement_ver_3.0.pdf
>>>>
>>>> We are aiming for a transparent model, so that is why we want to be clear to the registrant, who has the different roles and privileges on the domain name where they act as registrant.
>>>>
>>>> jonasbn
>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Jun 2016, at 10:55, Tom Sommer <ts_at_zitcom.dk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The authenticated user has to be able to renew the domain, meaning he/she has to hold the privilege to renew the domain or we return: 2201, for now this privilege is given to the billing contact for the domain name (see also the login command)
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a problem? So we need to change billing contacts for hundreds of thousands of domains? And this can be done without customer approval?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tom Sommer
>>>>> CTO at UnoEuro A/S, a Zitcom A/S division
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone: +45 69 10 60 09
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Jonas Brms Nielsen [mailto:jonasbn_at_dk-hostmaster.dk]
>>>>> Sent: 28. juni 2016 22:39
>>>>> To: epp-discuss_at_liste.dk-hostmaster.dk
>>>>> Subject: Re: [EPP-discuss] EPP renew domain draft proposal - updated
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have updated the specification on renew domain with the latest requirements from DK Hostmaster.
>>>>>
>>>>> The latest changes are some additional notifications to the registrant upon succesful renewal.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have started the implementation of the command, when done, the implementation will be made available in a sandbox like environment for evaluation.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are close to freezing the specification, so any last minute feedback would be most welcome as soon as possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> jonasbn
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12 May 2016, at 14:22, Jonas Brms Nielsen <jonasbn_at_dk-hostmaster.dk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have updated the draft for the specification available at:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/DK-Hostmaster/epp-service-specification/tree/epp_renew_domain_v1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have tried to describe the sub-process and out of band communication. The only thing I can see is outstanding is the privileges for registrar vs. billing contact as initiator for renew domain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next step for me is to present a possible solution to stakeholders within DK Hostmaster and this get the specification frozen for implementation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feedback most welcome,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jonasbn
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Med venlig hilsen/Best Regards
>>>>>> Jonas B. Nielsen
>>>>>> Development Team Leader / Team leder for Udvikling
>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>> Med venlig hilsen/Best Regards
>> Jonas B. Nielsen
>> Development Team Leader / Team leder for Udvikling
>>
>> Kalvebod Brygge 45, 3. sal
>> 1560 Kbenhavn V
>>
>> Tlf. +45 33 64 60 60
>> Fax.: +45 33 64 60 66
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>> Homepage: https://www.dk-hostmaster.dk
>>
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